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Are blunt thorns really that good? A comparison of Ark Passive 4T dealer trait efficiency
24.07.13 2:56 PM Modified calculation for Sonic Breakthrough
24.07.13 6:30 PM Added 4 tables at the bottom according to specific evolution type damage and critical damage
24.07.13 6:30 PM Added 4 tables at the bottom according to specific evolution type damage and critical damage
24.07.14 5:20 PM Created a table converting blunt thorn actual evolution type damage
I recommend reading the article at the link above.
Currently, this article mainly calculates based on Infighting, but after further analysis, characteristics such as Standing Striker and Mana Reactor have an efficiency of 21-24%, so the above article calculated based on 21% is more practical.
Readability is much better too!
Hello, this is SinchonMangryeong.
Information on the Ark passive evolution has been released overseas, and I was curious about the efficiency of Blunt Thorns, so I calculated it.Since there is no information on the exact damage calculation formula, I calculated it considering only crit chance and crit damage.
**If evolution type damage is not calculated as a separate multiplicative operation, the article below is meaningless**
I was bored, so I calculated it before the exact information came out, so I would appreciate it if you could take a look at it for reference.
The calculation assumptions are as follows.
1. Evolution type damage is calculated as a separate damage amount and is multiplied to the final damage.
- A method of multiplying the final damage by (1 + evolution type damage/100)
2. This calculation does not consider any damage-related values other than critical hit chance, critical hit damage, and evolution type damage.
3.Compared in an environment of 80~130% critical hit chance and 200~300% critical hit damage.
4. Each trait was compared based on level 2.
5. Sonic Breakthrough was calculated as 22% based on 140% attack/movement speed.
24.07.13 Added.
Added content related to Sonic Breakthrough with Gold Transaction's comment.
It seems right to calculate Sonic Breakthrough as exactly 8% + (attack speed increase 40 + movement speed increase 40) * 0.1% = 16% when attack/movement speed is 140%.
Therefore, Sonic Breakthrough is
Attack/Movement Speed 140% = 16%
Attack/Movement Speed 150% = 20%
Attack/Movement Speed 160% = 24%
In the content below, the part where Sonic Breakthrough is calculated as 22% is
I would appreciate it if you could see it under the assumption that you can achieve 155% attack/movement speed.
I recommend focusing on Infighting 18% vs. Blunt Thorns.
The calculation formula used is as follows.
Critical Hit Chance = crit_chance (% unit)
Critical Hit Damage =crit_damage(% unit)
((crit_chance / 100) * (crit_damage / 100) + (1 - (crit_chance / 100)) * 1.0) * (1 + 진화형피해% / 100)
The one in front is just the expected damage value due to crit chance and crit damage,
It is in the form of multiplying the evolution type damage at the end.
At first glance, the high point of evolution type damage is open up to 70%, so it looks overwhelmingly better than Sonic Breakthrough and Infighting,
There are also disadvantages compared to the high amount of evolution type damage provided.
Even if the critical hit chance exceeds 80%, Blunt Thorns fixes it at 80%, increasing the chance of non-crits.
It also has the disadvantage of increasing losses as critical hit damage increases.
So, let's calculate how much merit Blunt Thorns has compared to Sonic Breakthrough and Infighting in the same row, depending on crit chance/crit damage.
There is a conclusion summary at the very bottom.
1. When the total evolution type damage obtained in 2~3T is 30%
Extinction classes are expected to take a hit in 3T and gain 20~30% evolution type damage in 2T.
1.1 Infighting (18%) vs. Blunt Thorns
The blue area is the Infighting > Blunt Thorns section
The red area is the Infighting < Blunt Thorns section.
The x-axis is critical hit damage, and the y-axis is critical hit chance.
Looking at the trend, it can be confirmed that it becomes better than Infighting from the 85~90% crit chance section depending on the critical hit damage.
1.2 Sonic Breakthrough (22%) vs. Blunt Thorns
In the case of Sonic Breakthrough, it is 16% when attack/movement speed just exceeds 140%,
It is calculated as 20% at 150% attack/movement speed and 24% at 160% attack/movement speed.
Calculated based on when 155% attack/movement speed can be achieved.
The blue area is the Sonic Breakthrough > Blunt Thorns section
The red area is the Sonic Breakthrough < Blunt Thorns section.
If you get 30% evolution type damage in 2~3T,
It can be confirmed that Blunt Thorns becomes more efficient than Sonic Breakthrough only when the critical hit chance exceeds 92~101%.
Even if the critical hit damage exceeds 260%, the average critical hit chance must exceed 100% to show better efficiency than Sonic Breakthrough.
If you have a skill with high critical hit damage or are a class that uses Keen Blunt Weapon, you must exceed 100% constant crit chance including synergy to achieve higher efficiency than Sonic Breakthrough with Blunt Thorns.
2. When the total evolution type damage obtained in 2~3T is 50%
I calculated how the efficiency changes when selecting Destruction Cannon, Infinite Power, Timing Domination, etc. instead of One Hit in 3T and the total evolution type damage is high.
Since the increase in evolution type damage decreases compared to 30%, the efficiency of Blunt Thorns is expected to decrease further.
Let's look at how much it decreases numerically.
2.1 Infighting (18%) vs. Blunt Thorns
When 2~3T evolution type damage is 30%,Blunt Thorns became better from the 85~90% crit chance section,
If you already have 50%, the crit chance must exceed 86~99% depending on the critical hit damage to be better than Infighting.
As a special note, when looking at the 260~280% critical hit damage section
It can be confirmed that the amount of crit chance required for Blunt Thorns to be better increases rapidly from 90~97% as the critical hit damage increases.
2.2 Sonic Breakthrough (22%) vs. Blunt Thorns
If you get 30% evolution type damage in 2~3T,The boundary was 92~101% critical hit chance
It can be confirmed that the boundary is 96~102% crit chance when 50% is obtained.
If you get a lot of evolution type damage in 2~3T, it seems quite difficult to use Blunt Thorns rather than Sonic Breakthrough even if the critical hit damage is low.
Additional: Actual Crit Damage Ratio
Base Critical Hit Damage: 200%
Keen Blunt Weapon: 52%
Keen Blunt Weapon Stone 1/2/3/4: 7.5/9.4/13.2/15%
Elixir Crit Damage: 7%
One Hit: 32%
Desire has a 14% evolution type damage increase buff
Considering this, I calculated for sections with high actual adoption possibilities.
Crit Damage: 200 / 207 / 239 / 252 / 259 / 291 / 300 / 305 / 350 %
Evolution Type Damage: 38 (24+14) / 44 (30+14) / 60 (46+14) / 68 (54+14) %
You can see it in the table below according to your crit damage/evolution type damage value.
The part where the color changes is the boundary where Infighting vs. Evolution Type Damage efficiency is divided.
Evolution Type Damage 38%
Evolution Type Damage 44%
Evolution Type Damage 60%
Evolution Type Damage 68%
3. Conclusion
2~3T Evolution Type Damage 30%, Crit Damage 200~300% environment
Crit Chance 85~90% or less: Infighting (18%) > Blunt Thorns
Crit Chance 85~90% or more: Infighting (18%) < Blunt Thorns
Crit Damage 250% condition boundary - Crit Chance 87~88%
Crit Chance 92~101% or less: Sonic Breakthrough (22%) > Blunt Thorns
Crit Chance 92~101% or more: Sonic Breakthrough (22%) < Blunt Thorns
Crit Damage 250% condition boundary - Crit Chance 99~100%
2~3T Evolution Type Damage 50%, Crit Damage 200~300% environment
Crit Chance 90~97% or less: Infighting (18%) > Blunt Thorns
Crit Chance 90~97% or more: Infighting (18%) < Blunt Thorns
Crit Damage 250% condition boundary - Crit Chance 91~92%
Crit Chance 92~101% or less: Sonic Breakthrough (22%) > Blunt Thorns
Crit Chance 96~102% or more: Sonic Breakthrough (22%) < Blunt Thorns
Crit Damage 250% condition boundary - Crit Chance 101~102%
If the crit chance exceeds 100%, the Blunt Thorns trait is a good trait,
In the 90% crit chance range, other traits may be better depending on the situation.
Sonic Breakthrough 22% is based on 155% attack/movement speed, so please note that this is a comparison based on difficult high points.
Critical Hit Damage: 200 / 207 / 239 / 252 / 259 / 291 / 300 / 305 / 350 %
Evolution Type Damage: 38 (24+14) / 44 (30+14) / 60 (46+14) / 68 (54+14) %
I put the table comparing Infighting vs. Thorns under the conditions above, so find and see if you need it.
ex) Under the conditions of 38% evolution type damage and 259% critical hit damage
Infighting is superior at 89% crit chance
Blunt Thorns is superior at 90% crit chance
(The exact boundary is 89.8%, decimal places are not displayed in the table)
4. Closing
I'm not good at coding, so I asked ChatGPT to implement the code and then changed the numbers a little to calculate.
There may be errors, so I will share the code.
If there are any calculation errors or questions, please let me know anytime! I will correct it immediately.
Thank you to Gold Transaction for providing feedback on Sonic Breakthrough,
Thank you to Posher and the viewers for providing practical critical hit damage and evolution type damage values.
Once again, this article assumes that evolution type damage is calculated as an independent multiplicative operation, so the actual results are more accurate if users find out by hitting it themselves.
Thank you for reading.
Have a great new season everyone!
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2024-07-12